A friend of mine purchased a 1874 Sharps repo made by them a few years back for a Christmas gift for his son. The Kirst conversion is named after probably the most famous cinematic example of the 1858 Remington rapid cylinder change, the final gunfight from Clint Eastwoods Pale Rider. Pietta "1858" CCH Hammer with lowered Spur by Ol' #4 30.00 + 2.75 shipping via USPS Selling as a set: Pietta Hammer, Trigger, Hand w/spring, Bolt/Trigger Spring and Hammer Spring 23.00 shipped. New in Box-never fired. Are the parts hand made/fitted, or is the manufacture generic these days? But that same design made the Remington more robust than the Colts and also gave the advantage of rapid cylinder swapping. Look on the revolver barrel or bottom or side of cylinder frame. What are those little balls for? A forum community dedicated to the great outdoors and hunting enthusiasts. Plain walnut grips. The Pistol was so designed, that the hammer when cocked, would suck back with it, the remnants of the cap just fired, which more often than not, would follow the principle of Gravity, so ably demonstrated by Sir Isaac Newton, and fall into the Yawning Gap, the cocked hammer revealed, So when the trigger was pressed for the next shot, there would be a sort of, Scrunch, sound, as the cap was chewed up and mashed by the falling hammer, effectivley jamming the revolver! I have a Uberti 1847 Walker. (#% or 40 grains.) Remington made a cartridge conversion in .46 rimfire, after they ponied up the royalty fee to Smith & Wesson and their fancy-pants bored-through revolver cylinders for metallic cartridges. Any you can look our website about turbo http://www.j2fastmotorsports.com/. All Armi San Marco black powder cap and ball and cartridge conversion models were discontinued in 2000. Years ago ASM had some fine artisans..the guns were good.ASM was under the direction of the Son in Law of Aldo Uberti. I got my first 58 Remington in 1989 for Christmas ($99 from Cabelas). It was so bad, I did something I have never done before, or sinse; I had an action job done. WebArmi San Marco ASM 2nd Model Dragoon ASM 1847 Walker ASM 1849 Pocket ASM 1849 Wells Fargo ASM 1858 1863 pocket ASM 1860 Army ASM 1861 Navy ASM 1862 1849 Wells Fargo ASM 1873 Single Action ASM 1892 Categories Armi San Marco Beretta Pedersoli Uberti Pietta Armi Sport [Chiappa] IAB [Pedretti] Sharps KIRST Howell Conversions - GATED 1858 Remington Pietta .45 LC. Reenacting: CW & IW He took the gun back. I am not convinced about black powder handguns for deer hunting. Then little oil and you are set. Excellent shape with no not for sale by BuffaloHunter4 on GunsAmerica.com the best online marketplace for buying and selling semi auto pistols, firearms, accessories, and collectibles : 972952045 A nice write-up and while it may be legal to take deer with the load described I would note that said load has less power than the 44-40 out of a m-92 carbine, a close range proposition to be sure. Do not try to turn a century-and-a-half old black powder design into a modern magnum. I have one of these which I bought after a whole lot of looking and reading. But it's action Oh, it's action REALLY stank. I think if I was to get a cap and ball revolver I would look for one of the stainless steel Rugers. Black Powder Revolver Manual. The other was a blued adjustable-sight Old Army that was just sheer round-ball hilarious to shoot. FRONT SIGHT IS MISSING. Youll love it! Contact Fingers McGee or Driftwood Johnson. Copyright 2019 sassnet.com The ball is further squeezed when it enters the forcing cone. Regulators. Theyre fun guns to mess with, but understand the maintenance requirements before spending the money on one. I noticed in the latest Taylors catalog that they are also using the name Armi in, front of the Chiappa name in that catalog. You have the names confused. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. One good smack on the percussion caps, and BOOM! Didn't happen though. Mounted Shooting 1873 Rifle Cleaning Instructions. The greatest going away gift I ever got in my 25 years in the Army was the Uberti 1873 with my name and callsign engraved on the barrel that the guys in my battalion gave me when I left command. WebBuy a Armi San Marco 1858 Remington Replica Italian made .44 Remington 1858 Replica by manufacturer Armi San Marco. By using this site, you agree to our Terms of Use. Lot 429: Armi San Marco Reproduction 1858 Revolver Two Reproduction Percussion Revolvers Auction Date: November 3, 2016 Estimated Price: $ 200 - $ 500 Price Realized: Details A) Armi San Marco Model 1858 Remington Revolver with Matching Box Manufacturer: ARMI SAN MARCO Model: 1858 Type: Revolver Gauge: 44 percussion Finish in very good condition with some scratches and nicks. To add to the confusion Chiappa did purchase the 92 rifle tooling and left over parts from ASM. In Iowa, muzzle-loading pistols of at least .44 caliber, with barrels at least four inches long and without shoulder stocks are legal for deer hunting. One, an 1851 clone was built of the same parts produced by Uberti when they built the Colt "2nd Gen" percussion revolvers. But its not hunting. View more auctions here. ASM attempted to revive its percussion revolvers with limited success and finally closed its doors several years back. About 200 ft-lbs Energy BORE IS GOOD 44 Caliber; 80% blue, good bore, very good grips, 8'' barrel, REPRODUCTION NEW MODEL ARMY REVOLVER IN VERY GOOD CONDITION. The conversion cylinders are also not regulated, so you can get all of those you want and no one has any record of it.. WebRemington 1858 Armi San Marco 44 Black powder loading and shooting 4,144 views May 17, 2015 37 Dislike Share Save Harri Miettinen 68 subscribers Subscribe Shooting My 1858 is an Uberti model previously owned by a North-South Skirmish Association member. Further, any muzzle loading rifle, shotgun, or pistol which is designed to use black powder or black powder substitute, and which cannot use fixed ammunition, is an antique firearm unless it (1) incorporates a firearm frame or receiver; (2) is a firearm which is converted into a muzzle loading weapon; or (3) is a muzzle loading weapon which can be readily Some of it justifiedhowever if you know the reason then it's some what understandable. After the first range trip, i tore it down to the last screw and cleaned/oiled the whole thing and still wound up with some rust on it when I put it back together the next day. It was just the size of a small outfit, like 4-5 people there and I saw mostly lever rifles parts (might be they got their pistol from other sources). Armi San Marco first started making a Colt 1873 replica in the middle 1980s. Ive got a friend in the Hill Country who is a maniac on the topic of hunting Bambis mom. The emphasis on having antlers to hang on the wall has led to a ratio of 20 does per buck, which is not a stable gene pool. CYLINDER, BARREL AND LOADING ASSEMBLY IS BARE METAL. BRASS RECEIVER AND TRIGGER GUARD / GRIP FRAME ASSEMBLY. I am sure it will do for deer. Allen then started Western Arms which became Allen Arms, and then to Cimarron. Web* Armi San Marco, copy of Remington Model 1858, .44 cal, s/n 61367, black powder revolver. 1873 Rifle Manual. A friend of mine purchased a 1874 Sharps repo made by them a few years. Perfect for display and target shooting. For Civil War pistoleros the best way to rapidly reload any cap-and-ball revolver, including the 1858, was to carry several of them, like this other guya Confederate guerilla from Missouri. It has never been fired, came in the original box with the original booklet, and is in excellent condition. Armi San Marco 1858 Remington Black Powder replica. Had a cowboy smith smooth the internals so they dont chew each other up.ook mighty sweet in a pair of El Paso Saddlery crossdraw Slim Jims. THE NICKLE PLATED FINISH IS GENERALLY EXCELLENT WITH A SPOT AT THE BOTTOM OF THE GRIP STRAP SHOWING DISCOLORATION. No feeder, but a scoped .243 at 75 yards (distance to the tree line) no one calls it hunting. This may provoke howls of outrage, but whitetails with a scoped .243 or .308 is not hunting. Two Armi San Marco 1858 New Model Percussion Revolvers Auction Date: May 25, 2022. and practise with that heavy load! Thank God I did not shoot my dog that had to have 62 stitches. Hot water dissolves the salts in black powder fouling and heats the metal so it dryes fast and prevents flash rust. 6d 19h left (Thu, 11:33 AM) $29.95 Buy It Now +$7.95 shipping Sponsored Genuine ASM & CVA - Stop Bolt - For Remington 1858 Revolver - Armi San Marco New (Other) $27.95 Buy It Now +$3.99 shipping Sponsored View cart for details. Or even from New York? http://www.1858remington.com, a.k.a. Though the guns be identical, the first is free of any legal imcumberance, while the second has an FFL holder and a waiting period to deal with. Any gun made before Jan 1 1999 i is an antique gun, and requires no involvement of an FFL holder. The new value of an ARMI SAN MARCO pistol has fallen ($12.95) dollars over the past 12 months to a price of $286.19 . But on my wish-they-would-make list a 5-shot .50 Old Army designed for sabot bullets and 50-grain Pydrodex pellets. I think the ASMs from around that time were pretty good guns. 1885 Low Wall Manual. Have fun. I take all three to the range regularly in the appropriate recreation leather. THE BRIGHT BLUING IS EVEN THROUGHOUT. ROFL, So nice to read about black powder stuff here. The Remington-Beals as it was called back then came into its own with the onset of the Civil War. converted to fire fixed ammunition by replacing the barrel, bolt, breechblock, or any combination Armi San Marco took some bad rep. toward the end of the Companys run. Pretty simple. Lightning Manual. In the Remington Revolver, the cap is struck by the hammer, AFTER it passes through the slot in the Recoil Shield! Also, ASM use forged frames instead of castings on many of their revolvers. Silliness aside, I had little to no interest in black powder until I was at the range next to an older fellow firing rounds through an old muzzle loader rifle. With heavier charges, its good to go when trying to put Bambis mother in the freezer. I was watching them in the 80s and was able to watch all of the Clint Eastwoood movies multiple times. Turned out the Chaparral "factory" was just across the street and run by the gun shop's son . COPYRIGHT 2021, THETRUTHABOUTGUNS.COM. Plain walnut grips. Some were mentioning movies in which the Remington 1858 made an appearance. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. And man, do we have a lot of Bambis kin running loose here. Minor handling dings - see photos Standard 8" octagon barrel. It is THE most accurate handgun I've ever fired. Mmmmmmlightly-grilled, corn-fed Bambis mother backstrap.mmmmmmm. A home run! Sorry for misleading anyone. could easily have the hammer slip off his thumb, and and fall into the Half-Cock Notch, This almost always broke off a sixteenth of an inch off the tip of the sear, and using this rough edge to fire the piece, made for a very rough trigger release! Unbelievable what has happened to the price of Old Army since Ruger quit making them. He took the gun back. The bad guy carries a Peacemaker (a bit earlier than its actual appearance, but what the hell, it aint a documentary) (Said to have claimed his last victem by shooting him twice, skinning him and nailing his hid on the livery stable door! The front sight was okay, except that it was frequently made of brass, wich when polished by the inside of a holster, tended to reflect glare into the shooters eyes, but the rear sight was a crude notch, filed roughly into the tip of the hammer! Black Powder Revolver Manual. Black Powder Revolver Manual. But to me, it just seems that a black powder gun pushing a round ball does not have the ballistics to routinely be lethal on a whitetail deer. My advice is to buy the gun and cylinder, forget that the combination will cost about the same as a modern revolver and enjoy the heck out of it. 1873 Single Action Manual. Everything you ever wanted to know about the 1858 Remington (and some things you didnt!). Youve done a real service to fellow shooters there. I have been cleaning black powder revolvers for almost 50 years. Be like suing Ruger if they called one of their 1911 models "Old Slabsides", or Uberti over their new 1873 "Thumbuster". It has a central shotgun barrel (16 gauge? I saw it sitting used at a local gunshop a few years ago for $250 bucks. First, only one person had the cutoff date right; it is 1998 / 99. Replica Arms of El Paso, TX was started by L.F. Allen. Sounds like the name of a shady character lurking in the wisteria of some Flannery OConnor story, doesnt it? Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. He took the gun back. The heavier loads are a bitch on my wrists so Ido plinking at about 20 grains. A black powder gun IS NOT considered a fire arm! -drop safety-Hammer- - Z52776. oops! The used value of an ARMI SAN MARCO pistol has fallen ($12.42) The 12 month average price is $290.50 new and $284.87 used. While the patent date of this gun was in 1858, actual production didnt start till after 1861 or so, I think 62. 6d 19h left (Thu, 11:33 AM) $29.95 Buy It Now +$7.95 shipping Sponsored Genuine ASM & CVA - Stop Bolt - For Remington 1858 Revolver - Armi San Marco New (Other) $27.95 Buy It Now +$3.99 shipping Sponsored I use the same 452s in my bps that my wife uses in her .45 acp both 452s with the ring shear it is still .450. The rifle is the best looking gun in my collection, even better than my Henry. I will probably get a short-barreled Sheriff model later this year. Gauge: 44 percussion. If you want to make a guy worth killing, this should do it. 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Uberti & C. 1872 Open Top As neat as that would seem it can also be a curse. For powder loads, the .36s usually run 15-20 grains (that is by volume, not by weightso you MUST use a measure), while most loads for .44s that Ive seen (all my guns are .36) are 25 to (max) 35 grains. Retail $300. I taught my neighbors son (after he turned 18) how to shoot black powder with my 1858 and he fell in love with the revolver, so I gave him a new one for college graduation. Great review. ASM attempted to revive its percussion revolvers with limited success and finally closed its doors several years back. Range, of course, is quite limited. Remington. I have guns I bought from them as long ago as 2001, and they are all beautiful. It ensures that every round fires the same without pushing the ball too deep into the cylinder. Very cool stuff. I have three Sheriffs Models, and consider them SO GOOD, I carry one every day for Self-Defense! I've had to do very little fitting on Uberti or Pietta replacement parts - Hammer/trigger/hand/bolt/cylinder/loading lever. Used, grip strap wear and shows handling. He took the gun back. Armi San Marco took some bad rep. toward the end of the Companys run. The safety notch feature makes it easy to safely carry a fully-loaded 1858 Remington. And they still shoot just as straight and true as the originals. Swapping barrels can involve fitting the arbor to the barrel sometimes. Grips for the Uberti 1873 Cattleman El Patron Grizzly Paw New Model as well as the 1860 and 1872 Colt army made by Cimarron, Pietta and Uberti. Fits .44 and .36 7.25 ea + 2.75 shipping via USPS 1 ea. I found that mis fires and hang fires happened all the time. But the website is easy to track sale prices through the year. I also don't hestate to loan it to others. WebAsm armi san marco 1858 Cylinder Pin #165 Pre-Owned $22.99 weimdog27 (722) 100% Buy It Now Free 3 day shipping Sponsored Armi San Marco MSM inc dual trigger set with adjustment hawken muzzle loader $150.00 eldorablerentals (1,449) 100% Buy It Now +$9.50 shipping Sponsored ARMI SAN MARCO ASMREMINGTON 1858BLUESTEEL Fine review with everything that makes a gun review great: guns, history and guns. .44 Cal percussion. Before one can change a cylinder on the Colt Design, the pistol has to be field stripped, and just imagine yourself as a United States Cavalryman, trying to hold his excited horse under control, as he strips the Colt Type revolver down into thee parts, then somehow, (It helps to be ambidextrous & double Jointed!) I got to fire a few cap and ball revolvers when on holiday in Italy. I would advise ANYONE beginning Black Powder Revolver Shooting, do NOT ever buy the Colt Style Guns, and steer WELL AWAY, from any Cap &Ball Revolver that has a Brass Frame! Of course, walking around with fully-loaded and capped extra cylinders on your belt or in your pocket can be a bit dicey. There was no penetration, but the deer died where I hit it. Rust and pitting on metal. I shot it again in the side and it stop rolling around. Their SAA's are a good example. Regular gun solvents cant remove the black powder salts. Nicks a real tech wizard. In the beginning, I had a pair of ASM Colt clones. WebThis conversion cylinder assembly will convert your 1858 Remington ASM, Uberti or Pietta steel or brass .44 cap and ball revolver to fire .22 cartridges. Armi San Marco and Armi Sport now Chiappa are two different companies. They make the guns for different companies and the workmanship is terrible. To date I have only had two minor issues with it: - 1) the firing pin retainer had to tapped in a bit as dragged on the frame very mildly, local smith fixed that in 2 seconds. Youre only hunting if you sharpen a stick and use it as a spear. Actually percussion caps come in different sizes. February 24, 2015 in SASS Wire. Take that, and cross reference it the list below. My Command Sergeant Major made me promise to shoot it and not just keep it in my safe. THE BRIGHT BLUING IS EVEN THROUGHOUT. No, there is little if any chance "any" parts you currently see, other than springs, that would work in an ASM. Armi San Marco was a family owned gun maker in Brescia, Italy. Replica Arms was the first importer for ASM revolvers, the first being the 1847 Walker. Frankly, I like the 45LC version better. The used value of an ARMI SAN MARCO pistol has fallen ($12.42) The Colts often did have short safety pins at the back of the cylinder which could be engaged with the notch in the hammer nose, to accomplish exactly the same thing however. Like this guy. Just my opinion. Thus making it almost impossible for a cap to fall into the workings of the gun. They are all excellent fit and finish. About 400 ft-lbs Energy. could be in your future, you would want a steel frame pistol instead of brass. .44 Cal percussion. I love the old cap and ball revolvers. If you boil your cylinders in a saucepan, then fish them oout with a slim piece of doweling, by the time they are cool enough to touch with the hand, ALL the water will have evaporated from the heat,and you can start right in re-loading them. In the case of unfinished recievers, like when you buy a flat pressed AK reciever in the mail, it becomes a firearm for the purposes of the ATF as soon as one puts the first bend in it (at least thats the criteria for a prohibited person case to be made, such as a felon) Buying a conversion cylinder would be exactly the same boat legally, as ordering up a mil spec conversion kit for a semi-auto AK, its legal to have, legal to buy, legal to sell, but completely illegal to install. Either way, a good dose of lube also helps keep the black powder fouling moist and pliable, and easier to clean out. I had to put down an estimated 350- 400 pound bear that can in my camp and got into it with my dog. On clening, dont whatever you do mention water, on a web site run by some guy named John Fuhring. No rust on my guns! (They are still remarkably cheap in both .25 and 32-20, but good luck if you lose the magazine.) Claimed copyright infringement. And if you happen to have another pre-loaded cylinder with you, PRESTO! 1899. All of the Pietta replicas I have are fantastic, and they were all sourced from the same supplier (see last paragraph). Snapped back so hard the hammer tore a chunk of meat from my thumb. The last line about being used since before the civil war is technically inaccurate. I did know enough about black powder to use soap and water and clean until the bubbles showed white with no discoloration, but I screwed up and did not fully disassemble the cylinder and firing mechanism and after three months in storage (before and after a move) it was a rusty mess. New in Box-never fired. Theyll NEVER rust this way. There will be no records if you send a physical order and payment via U.S. Post Office, FedEx, UPS, DHL, etc. Keep both of these straight, and the possibility that someone (like me, maybe) just might make a mistake, so on your own, do some research on it , At first we never know which is which , but it doesnt take long to figure it out. WebDescription: Remington Model 1858 New Model Army Revolver, .44 caliber. (No, I didn't win it my son beat me in the shoot-off. Used Blued 1858 Cylinder Pins (will fit Pietta and ASM) 4 ea. 1885 High Wall Manual. Web* Armi San Marco, copy of Remington Model 1858, .44 cal, s/n 61367, black powder revolver. I've thought I might make a lamp out of it one day. This was suggested by a good friend and serious black powder target shooter who has a couple of the 1858s. Armi San Marco 1858 Remington Black Powder replica. That means that two Colt Peacemakers coming off the line 1 minute apart (11:59PM on Dec 31 1898 and 12:00 AM on Jan 1, 19 99, define the force of the law. WebAsm armi san marco 1858 Cylinder Pin #165 Pre-Owned $22.99 weimdog27 (722) 100% Buy It Now Free 3 day shipping Sponsored Armi San Marco MSM inc dual trigger set with adjustment hawken muzzle loader $150.00 eldorablerentals (1,449) 100% Buy It Now +$9.50 shipping Sponsored ARMI SAN MARCO ASMREMINGTON 1858BLUESTEEL Remington. The wish list gets longer, but the disposable income remains the same. If you see one for sale someplace, check it out carefully before you buy. Bore and chambers in very good+ 36 Caliber; 97% blue, very good+ bore, very good+ grips, 6.58'' barrel, Pietta Remington 1858 revolver, 6 shot, 36. caliber with very good bore and chambers, slight surface corrosion in the chambers. The other great thing about the cap-and-ball revolvers is that they are not considered firearms, so you can buy all you want and have them shipped to your door.
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